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    Helping Illegal Home Depot Workers Get Jobs Faster

    Day Laborers at store around truck

    I don't care if they're in the United States legally or not, I respect people who make the attempt to work.

    If you wake up and stand in a hot/cold parking lot for hours for the chance to MAYBE get a $10/hour job doing boring ass grunt work....I respect that.

    This is the daily life of day laborers.

    Pretty much every single day they stand outside of stores such as Home Depot in hopes a building contractor needs some extra help.

    I wondered if a little copywriting could help these guys get work quicker.

    So I decided to try a little experiment.........

    I would like to acknowledge my good friend David Gonzales from Internet Marketing Party for his help in this experiment.  He's a real Mexico Person who speaks fluent Mexico and 100% of the communication I had with all these guys was through him.

    For this experiment he's the Mexican Neville!

    David GonzalesDavid Gonzales (This picture is completely un-altered in any way).

     

     

     

    What We Want To Accomplish:

    We'd like to see if we can help the dudes that stand on the street corner to work as day laborers get work quicker.

    Whatever method we come up with would have to be:

    • Repeatable across the country.
    • Cheap or free.
    • Simple enough to replicate by anyone.

     

     

     

    My Hypothesis: It's too complex and intimidating to hire from this market:

    Here's my original hypothesis:

    I think a HUGE problem that prevents people from utilizing these groups of able-bodied men for work is that it's super intimidating and scary to pull up to a group of them.

    They themselves don't look intimidating, but this is what happens soon as you pull up:

    Day Laborers Swarming Car

    You get freakin' SWARMED.

    This is actually a SMALL group of guys who broke away from talking to us to go see if the person in this car needed some day laborers (two guys ended up going with this car).

    Me and David both pulled up in black Lexus cars to a gas station, and before we could get out of our cars we both had 10+ dudes swarming each car.

    I ain't gonna lie, when 10 sorta-scrubby looking dudes surround you SOON as you park, your natural defense mechanisms go up.

    If a house-mom from the suburbs wants to hire some people to paint her house, she'd NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS use this method.

    It's too chaotic.

    It's too intimidating.

    It's too uncertain.

    I originally wanted to make binders showing their previous work, but this is a lot of work and money (and quite frankly, most of these guys have no specific skills to show off).

    So my hypothesis was that if each guy carries a small sign with their name and basic skills listed on it, you could easily choose who to pick.

    This way you can see which skills they have right away:

    day laborer signs

    So in the beginning, I was hoping to go talk to these guys and make them all signs.  I even brought markers and paperboard in my car.

     

     

     

    Where to Find Day Laborers:

    It was kind of hard to figure out online where these guys stand.  This isn't exactly a well-documented operation.  So we went off basic memory.  There were a few locations such as outside of Home Depot's where these guys always hang out at.

    We found an old torn-down Home Depot where across the street at a gas station these guys hang out.  So on a Wednesday morning David and I found the spot, we both pulled up into the parking lot of a gas station where these day laborers stand, and immediately were SWARMED by guys asking us (in Spanish) if we needed some help.

    "TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?" is all I heard.  (It means "Work?").

    The demographics of these guys were:

    • All men.
    • Primarily Mexican, Honduran, or Cuban.
    • Very few spoke English. At max some knew some basic English words.
    • Almost 100% are undocumented workers.
    • Age range from 22 to 65.

    We ended up speaking to a group of about 15-25 guys for an hour.

    We had to move parking lots when the owner of the gas station forced us to leave.

    There were 4 guys who were still interested in speaking with us, and talked with us for another full hour:

    Day Laborers ExperimentDavid, Neville, Laborer Dudes (for privacy reasons I chose to obscure their faces).

    We learned a lot from these guys about how this whole undocumented worker system operated. Here's what we learned about how this hiring "marketplace" works:

    How to hire day laborers (The Process):

    So here's what we learned about hiring a day laborer:

    At the specific corner we went to, they say about 40 people show up per day and wait around for work.  About 10 contractors or people will come through per day requesting workers.  This means about 15 - 20 of these guys will get picked up for work in a given day.  The others will not get work at all.

    They would call the contractors looking for help "Jefe's" which translates to "Bosses."

    They estimated about 30% of the "Jefe's" (Bosses) that pick them up are genuine and good people that pay them a fair wage.

    They estimated about 70% of the Jefe's try to weasel out of paying them, or blatantly lie about the work. For example a Jefe will imply they are going to pay someone $10/hour for work, then at the end of a 9 hour workday they'll say, "Here's your $10" and leave.  If the worker tries to protest or ask for more, the Jefe will call immigration.

    We heard story-after-story from these guys about how contractors would take them 2 hours outside the city, make them do backbreaking work, not offer any food/water/restrooms, pay them only 10% of what was agreed, and then leave them 2 hours outside the city with no way to get home.

    The workers essentially have zero recourse since they are undocumented workers.

    Another common scam is a contractor will say they are hiring them for only 2 hours to do easy air-conditioned cleaning work inside an office building.  When they get to the job site, the contractor then makes them do backbreaking work like manually pick-axe concrete for the same price and many many more hours than agreed.

    Since most of these guys sometimes have a total of $3.00 to their name, there's not much they can do besides accept the money and do nothing.

    What to Pay Day Laborers:

    The standard rate for a day laborer seemed to be between $10/hour and $12/hour.  The Jefe's they liked would pay them $10/hr for a full 8 hour workday.

    If someone were to hire a day laborer, to NOT be a completely terrible person it'd be common courtesy to:

    • Give them water.
    • Let them have access to a restroom.
    • It's not required, but lunch or some food would be nice.
    • Drive them back to the location you picked them up at.

    The other way to pay is to offer a set price for the work.  Maybe tell them you'll pay $50 for someone to paint a wall or move some lumber, and they will tell you who is willing to go for that price.

    How Can We Help:

    OK, so we know there are problems with this broken marketplace:

    • PROBLEM: The day laborers have no idea if a bad contractor will screw them over.

      SOLUTION: This problem has been solved by "ratings."  Amazon uses ratings to rate good/bad products.  Yelp uses ratings to rate good/bad restaurants.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way to get hired again by the good Jefe's except through luck.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by giving the Jefe their contact information.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way for a Jefe to know what skills a worker has.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by holding a sign with their skills.

    As we all were talking, I kept explaining (through the translation of David) how I think they should all keep little signs with their skills on it. This idea was rejected over-and-0ver, and quite honestly, I was a bit frustrated.

    It's like they didn't even WANT to try.

    There were two main mis-conceptions they had:

    1.) The signs I was suggesting made them look like they were begging on the side of the road, which is illegal in that area and could get them arrested.

    --and--

    2.) The signs I was suggesting would take away work from their fellow day laborers.

    THIS WAS A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEM.  They were shockingly loyal to one another, and anything that gave one guy an advantage over another they absolutely rejected.

    I kept persisting this method wasn't designed to screw over their friends, but rather make the whole marketplace more efficient.

    So then David pulled a business card out of his pocket as a demonstration of how the sign would work, and something shifted.

    When the conversation moved to them giving out business cards, they 100% agreed that would be a great idea!!

    However one guy pulled out his wallet and showed us he literally had $3 in TOTAL MONEY.  He couldn't afford business cards, or even knew how to get them made.

    Well fortunately we could maybe help them with that buy either paying for their business cards, or printing them out!

    So let's try a field-test of this business card idea.....

     

     

     

     

    Perform An In-Field Test by Printing Business Cards:

    So one thing that would help these guys tremendously is if a good Jefe needed work, he could simply text or call them for work.  100% of the guys on the corner had smartphones, so calling or texting wasn't a problem.

    It was actually a big revelation that the workers and contractors almost never traded contact info.  I explained to them how giving out business cards to the good Jefe's would dramatically increase their chances of getting a call or text from one of them asking for more help.  Perhaps even higher-paid specialized work.

    Four guys were down to try this out.  So we made some business cards for each of them.  I just bought a pack of Avery Business Card paper and printed them out manually on my inkjet printed (I purposely did not buy them online because it was 1.) too expensive for most of these guys and 2.) a lot of them don't have credit cards to buy stuff online.

    So we manually started making 4 different business cards for 4 different guys:

    It was pretty simple to make each business card using Avery Templates:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    It took about 5 minutes to write out and print out each set of business cards (30 business cards each):

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    In a few minutes we got all the business cards printed:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    I texted the day laborer dudes asking if I could come by the gas station and deliver their business cards, and surprisingly two of them were at David's house painting!  He was undergoing a big remodeling of his house and needed help, so he hired a couple of the guys:

    Giving business cards to day laborers

    So now armed with business cards these guys can "sell" their laborer more effectively without having to be at that street corner:

    Day laborer business cards jefe

     

     

    We then asked about skill level.  One guy was skilled at leveling entire foundations of houses. One guy was great at woodworking and cabinet building.

    I was curious if he had photos of his work, and he was proud to show it! Here's some pics he texted me:

    Cabinet and wood work

    Not bad huh?

    What's interesting about this is a lot of these guys have specialized skills which go completely under utilized.  This guy can do great woodworking and cabinetry, but since his sole way of getting business is standing at a gas station corner hoping for someone who needs day laborers, he's relegated to digging holes for fence posts and busting up chunks of concrete with a pick axe.

     

     

    Sincerely,

    Neville Medhora

     

    P.S. What else do you think these guys could do to get more work?  Let me know in the comments!


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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Thanks Rafael! I might update the post in 4-6 months with more details results!
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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Thanks Vesb! I thought it would be a fun experiment that could possibly help, be entertaining, and be published. A win win win!

    Very glad this post inspired more than just copywriting technique. I truly think good content isn't really about how you WRITE, but more the real world experience you're drawing from.

    Best of luck Vesb!

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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Thank you Demetrio! I knew this post would probably attract some crazy comments, but I've been publishing online since 1998 and am totally used to that :)

    Appreciate the kind words!

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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Bahahaha, this topic is always sure to bring out the lurking weirdos :)
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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Hey Mark, unfortunately that would be a pretty difficult endeavor. I was more looking for a simple way to improve their situation that could be replicated anywhere with little or no resources.
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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Bahahaha, gotta expect the weirdos to come out on this subject!
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    Guest Doug

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    How about, if they all have phones, can they take a picture of the bad jefe's pickup trucks. If they can identify the bad contractors, and not give them work, they will have to stop the abuses.

    I don't know how they can share the pictures, maybe just a phone number swap among friends, like an old phone tree. About 3-4 reports of "this guy screwed me" and no one will work for him in the community.

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    Guest Neville

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    I think this would be good, and introduce "ratings" into the marketplace, but it sounds complex and would take planning and effort.

    I still think they're mentality that they are "stealing jobs from one another" is totally wrong. They still however are pretty insistent on not doing things they "think" might take away jobs. It's a sweet sentiment, but not correctly guided.

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    Guest Neville

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    Hmmm, I'm not sure if that's totally true in every state. Generally it's not legal to ask someone's citizenship status for odd jobs like this.
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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Kristian, it's true they COULD do this, but it would be a lot of work and organization, and these guys are generally just looking to make a few bucks for the next day.

    I think not having legal residency status greatly impairs their ability to do any real organizing.

    But good idea to help them out!

    Unfortunately I think they're just at the bottom of the economy, and it's going to be rougher for them no matter what.

    I DO wish they would take some of my advice on generating more biz without immediately rejecting it!

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    Guest Neville

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    Thanks Chris, they're fun to do, and if they work can be replicated for others to live better :-)
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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Pauly, thanks for the kind words!

    It's actually crazy that even thought these guys are all quite on the low end of the economy, they don't behave homeless. I think the strong Mexican community kind of pitches in and takes care of them during hard times.

    I don't think they're very trusting of the ratings, but with business cards at least if they do good work for someone, they can get called again. I hope they roll with the advice and try it out!

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    Guest Neville

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    If you're getting welfare you're getting free shit already.

    These guys don't get that and actually work.

    I respect work over handouts any day.

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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Jennifer, this is a really cool thing! It solves a problem in the community of these guys having to just loiter around, and makes everyone's lives better.

    They told me there are work centers, but you have to have legal papers to go there, so they can't do that. I think something like this would be pretty useful for a lot of these guys.

    Thanks for the comment, possibly shirt-worthy!

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    Guest Neville

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    It seemed like most of the people I spoke to had smartphones, but I'm not sure how good all of them are at communicating.

    They guy I communicated the most with was 23, so was probably more inclined to be experience with a smartphone.

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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Skippy, I totally agree there are going to be some bad apples. I think that's why it's even more important to get contact information for the GOOD ones out there.

    Of the maybe 40 guys we originally talk to, they all seemed totally chill and not threatening. However in the 2nd parking lot we went to, there were two aggressive drunk guys that scared me a bit. They kind of ruined the vibe.

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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Ben, I'll be following up with them periodically. Best case scenario would be they want MORE business cards because it worked so well!
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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Gary, I guess most people probably don't even know WHY they are standing out there! I too use Thumbtack and similar services like TaskRabbit for any sort of odd jobs.
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    Guest Neville

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    Yeah it's still a bit intimidating to roll up to a big group of dudes and just get a couple to hop in your car. It's mainly contractors picking up these guys, so they know the drill, but for the average person I don't think this is a viable way to get work done.

    Thumbtack, TaskRabbit, or Craigslist would be most people's outlet for this.

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    Guest Neville

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    They kind of already do this in a way....the dude who speaks the most English will translate for everyone.

    ...and yes it totally does look like The Walking Dead when they all roll up to a car at once!!

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    Guest Neville

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    Thank you! I hope the business cards work to some degree. It would be cheap and replicatable anywhere.
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    Guest Neville

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    I will be following up in a few months. The best case scenario would be the business cards work so well they need a lot more!
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