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    Helping Illegal Home Depot Workers Get Jobs Faster

    Day Laborers at store around truck

    I don't care if they're in the United States legally or not, I respect people who make the attempt to work.

    If you wake up and stand in a hot/cold parking lot for hours for the chance to MAYBE get a $10/hour job doing boring ass grunt work....I respect that.

    This is the daily life of day laborers.

    Pretty much every single day they stand outside of stores such as Home Depot in hopes a building contractor needs some extra help.

    I wondered if a little copywriting could help these guys get work quicker.

    So I decided to try a little experiment.........

    I would like to acknowledge my good friend David Gonzales from Internet Marketing Party for his help in this experiment.  He's a real Mexico Person who speaks fluent Mexico and 100% of the communication I had with all these guys was through him.

    For this experiment he's the Mexican Neville!

    David GonzalesDavid Gonzales (This picture is completely un-altered in any way).

     

     

     

    What We Want To Accomplish:

    We'd like to see if we can help the dudes that stand on the street corner to work as day laborers get work quicker.

    Whatever method we come up with would have to be:

    • Repeatable across the country.
    • Cheap or free.
    • Simple enough to replicate by anyone.

     

     

     

    My Hypothesis: It's too complex and intimidating to hire from this market:

    Here's my original hypothesis:

    I think a HUGE problem that prevents people from utilizing these groups of able-bodied men for work is that it's super intimidating and scary to pull up to a group of them.

    They themselves don't look intimidating, but this is what happens soon as you pull up:

    Day Laborers Swarming Car

    You get freakin' SWARMED.

    This is actually a SMALL group of guys who broke away from talking to us to go see if the person in this car needed some day laborers (two guys ended up going with this car).

    Me and David both pulled up in black Lexus cars to a gas station, and before we could get out of our cars we both had 10+ dudes swarming each car.

    I ain't gonna lie, when 10 sorta-scrubby looking dudes surround you SOON as you park, your natural defense mechanisms go up.

    If a house-mom from the suburbs wants to hire some people to paint her house, she'd NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS use this method.

    It's too chaotic.

    It's too intimidating.

    It's too uncertain.

    I originally wanted to make binders showing their previous work, but this is a lot of work and money (and quite frankly, most of these guys have no specific skills to show off).

    So my hypothesis was that if each guy carries a small sign with their name and basic skills listed on it, you could easily choose who to pick.

    This way you can see which skills they have right away:

    day laborer signs

    So in the beginning, I was hoping to go talk to these guys and make them all signs.  I even brought markers and paperboard in my car.

     

     

     

    Where to Find Day Laborers:

    It was kind of hard to figure out online where these guys stand.  This isn't exactly a well-documented operation.  So we went off basic memory.  There were a few locations such as outside of Home Depot's where these guys always hang out at.

    We found an old torn-down Home Depot where across the street at a gas station these guys hang out.  So on a Wednesday morning David and I found the spot, we both pulled up into the parking lot of a gas station where these day laborers stand, and immediately were SWARMED by guys asking us (in Spanish) if we needed some help.

    "TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?" is all I heard.  (It means "Work?").

    The demographics of these guys were:

    • All men.
    • Primarily Mexican, Honduran, or Cuban.
    • Very few spoke English. At max some knew some basic English words.
    • Almost 100% are undocumented workers.
    • Age range from 22 to 65.

    We ended up speaking to a group of about 15-25 guys for an hour.

    We had to move parking lots when the owner of the gas station forced us to leave.

    There were 4 guys who were still interested in speaking with us, and talked with us for another full hour:

    Day Laborers ExperimentDavid, Neville, Laborer Dudes (for privacy reasons I chose to obscure their faces).

    We learned a lot from these guys about how this whole undocumented worker system operated. Here's what we learned about how this hiring "marketplace" works:

    How to hire day laborers (The Process):

    So here's what we learned about hiring a day laborer:

    At the specific corner we went to, they say about 40 people show up per day and wait around for work.  About 10 contractors or people will come through per day requesting workers.  This means about 15 - 20 of these guys will get picked up for work in a given day.  The others will not get work at all.

    They would call the contractors looking for help "Jefe's" which translates to "Bosses."

    They estimated about 30% of the "Jefe's" (Bosses) that pick them up are genuine and good people that pay them a fair wage.

    They estimated about 70% of the Jefe's try to weasel out of paying them, or blatantly lie about the work. For example a Jefe will imply they are going to pay someone $10/hour for work, then at the end of a 9 hour workday they'll say, "Here's your $10" and leave.  If the worker tries to protest or ask for more, the Jefe will call immigration.

    We heard story-after-story from these guys about how contractors would take them 2 hours outside the city, make them do backbreaking work, not offer any food/water/restrooms, pay them only 10% of what was agreed, and then leave them 2 hours outside the city with no way to get home.

    The workers essentially have zero recourse since they are undocumented workers.

    Another common scam is a contractor will say they are hiring them for only 2 hours to do easy air-conditioned cleaning work inside an office building.  When they get to the job site, the contractor then makes them do backbreaking work like manually pick-axe concrete for the same price and many many more hours than agreed.

    Since most of these guys sometimes have a total of $3.00 to their name, there's not much they can do besides accept the money and do nothing.

    What to Pay Day Laborers:

    The standard rate for a day laborer seemed to be between $10/hour and $12/hour.  The Jefe's they liked would pay them $10/hr for a full 8 hour workday.

    If someone were to hire a day laborer, to NOT be a completely terrible person it'd be common courtesy to:

    • Give them water.
    • Let them have access to a restroom.
    • It's not required, but lunch or some food would be nice.
    • Drive them back to the location you picked them up at.

    The other way to pay is to offer a set price for the work.  Maybe tell them you'll pay $50 for someone to paint a wall or move some lumber, and they will tell you who is willing to go for that price.

    How Can We Help:

    OK, so we know there are problems with this broken marketplace:

    • PROBLEM: The day laborers have no idea if a bad contractor will screw them over.

      SOLUTION: This problem has been solved by "ratings."  Amazon uses ratings to rate good/bad products.  Yelp uses ratings to rate good/bad restaurants.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way to get hired again by the good Jefe's except through luck.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by giving the Jefe their contact information.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way for a Jefe to know what skills a worker has.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by holding a sign with their skills.

    As we all were talking, I kept explaining (through the translation of David) how I think they should all keep little signs with their skills on it. This idea was rejected over-and-0ver, and quite honestly, I was a bit frustrated.

    It's like they didn't even WANT to try.

    There were two main mis-conceptions they had:

    1.) The signs I was suggesting made them look like they were begging on the side of the road, which is illegal in that area and could get them arrested.

    --and--

    2.) The signs I was suggesting would take away work from their fellow day laborers.

    THIS WAS A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEM.  They were shockingly loyal to one another, and anything that gave one guy an advantage over another they absolutely rejected.

    I kept persisting this method wasn't designed to screw over their friends, but rather make the whole marketplace more efficient.

    So then David pulled a business card out of his pocket as a demonstration of how the sign would work, and something shifted.

    When the conversation moved to them giving out business cards, they 100% agreed that would be a great idea!!

    However one guy pulled out his wallet and showed us he literally had $3 in TOTAL MONEY.  He couldn't afford business cards, or even knew how to get them made.

    Well fortunately we could maybe help them with that buy either paying for their business cards, or printing them out!

    So let's try a field-test of this business card idea.....

     

     

     

     

    Perform An In-Field Test by Printing Business Cards:

    So one thing that would help these guys tremendously is if a good Jefe needed work, he could simply text or call them for work.  100% of the guys on the corner had smartphones, so calling or texting wasn't a problem.

    It was actually a big revelation that the workers and contractors almost never traded contact info.  I explained to them how giving out business cards to the good Jefe's would dramatically increase their chances of getting a call or text from one of them asking for more help.  Perhaps even higher-paid specialized work.

    Four guys were down to try this out.  So we made some business cards for each of them.  I just bought a pack of Avery Business Card paper and printed them out manually on my inkjet printed (I purposely did not buy them online because it was 1.) too expensive for most of these guys and 2.) a lot of them don't have credit cards to buy stuff online.

    So we manually started making 4 different business cards for 4 different guys:

    It was pretty simple to make each business card using Avery Templates:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    It took about 5 minutes to write out and print out each set of business cards (30 business cards each):

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    In a few minutes we got all the business cards printed:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    I texted the day laborer dudes asking if I could come by the gas station and deliver their business cards, and surprisingly two of them were at David's house painting!  He was undergoing a big remodeling of his house and needed help, so he hired a couple of the guys:

    Giving business cards to day laborers

    So now armed with business cards these guys can "sell" their laborer more effectively without having to be at that street corner:

    Day laborer business cards jefe

     

     

    We then asked about skill level.  One guy was skilled at leveling entire foundations of houses. One guy was great at woodworking and cabinet building.

    I was curious if he had photos of his work, and he was proud to show it! Here's some pics he texted me:

    Cabinet and wood work

    Not bad huh?

    What's interesting about this is a lot of these guys have specialized skills which go completely under utilized.  This guy can do great woodworking and cabinetry, but since his sole way of getting business is standing at a gas station corner hoping for someone who needs day laborers, he's relegated to digging holes for fence posts and busting up chunks of concrete with a pick axe.

     

     

    Sincerely,

    Neville Medhora

     

    P.S. What else do you think these guys could do to get more work?  Let me know in the comments!


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    Guest Kimberley

    Posted

    Hey Neville,

    I am a Qualified English Teacher and would love to help you, your project, and the guys out for FREE.

    There is a very popular method that is used worldwide,

    where they could master conversational English IN A SPAN OF 1 MONTH.

    E-mail me if you are interested.

    :)

    Kimberley

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    Thank you for your efforts to help these workers and for sharing your experience and giving voice to theirs! I serve as pastor of a UCC congregation on the east coast and this morning I shared your story in my sermon. The scripture text for the day was Matthew 20:1-16 - the parable of the generous landowner and the day laborers.
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    Great article and effort to help these day laborers out. I hired several today to help out with a patio project after reading your article and one spoke fluent English and they both had vehicles to get to my house. They did a great job and I think through word of mouth they will be able to get more work. They also had business cards with their particular skills.
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    Guest Shaila Andrabi

    Posted

    I am one of those regular homemakers who would like to hire a day laborer. I did not catch where you did this experiment? I am in Los Angeles.
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    I recently went over to home depot to hire one person to help me dig out an area of soil so I could lay pavers. It's been a long time since I hired any day labor from home depot. I was used to the fact that I was swarmed as soon as i stopped my car. What I was not prepared for was the fact that they were firm at demanding $25 dollars an hour to dig dirt. Not one would agree to less money. I have to qualify this entry by saying I live in the San Francisco Bay area and obviously labor cost is more, but $25 per hour under the table, to dig dirt is ridicules. It appears they have formed somewhat of a union and either by pressure or voluntarily agreed to stand firm on demands. It's interesting that many are still there in the afternoon when I drive by. I don't understand what they are gaining.
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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Interesting. It does sound like they probably formed a pact to keep the prices high. Based on the type of camaraderie I saw between them in my own experiment, I would believe this is the case.
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    Guest mitch stuve

    Posted

    i am a licensed contractor in the sf east bay. none of the day workers here will accept a conventional w-2 income job. we are capable of getting documents that will cover their hire, so documentation is not really an issue for these people here at all. an employer is NOT required to determine the authenticity of the document, only note/report the numbers and move on. these people are commanding no less than $18-20 per hour here, and are likely receiving some benefits which would be lost if they reported w-2 income. you need to do alot more research into the individuals to understand the complexity of this issue. contracting laws were put in place to protect the consumer. as we watch that system break down, the consumer again will be the one that loses in the long run. in the short run, there is certainly potential for abuse of these workers as you have noted, but also there is the potential to undermine legitimate contractors who are trying to follow state worker comp and payroll laws. as potential clients clamor about deadlines and project completions, the subversion of w-2 payroll will increase as we experience a rebellion of the work force to payroll taxes. this will lead to increased labor without insurance, accidents leading to lawsuits, and unlicensed contractors performing more work. that is how the consumer will lose in the long run. it is an age old conflict of government taxation and consumer protection that raises the cost of construction that creates a pendulum swing rebellion until the consumer cries for protection once again.
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    Guest David

    Posted

    Do you know where I can find these individuals? What area? Street?

    Thanks!

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    Guest Neville Medhora

    Posted

    This was around the corner of I-35 and St. John's.
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    Guest Damienalexfl

    Posted

    EVERYTHING YOU WROTE COULD BE TRUE BUT IF THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED HOW COULD THEY BE GETTING BENEFITS? Also, probably they don't want to do this on the books bc they are scared they will get deported. That's my guess.
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    Guest mitch stuve

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    i understand your position. i suspect many are registered alien status, so they can receive various benefits in CA, but not FICA. they dont seem to be afraid of deportation as they are very visible in their pattern and habits. there are very few immigration raids in nor cal compared to a decade ago. i dont think many of them fear deportation; the ones that work for me whom i suspect have false papers have even bought real estate and regularly buy and sell automobiles doing all the dmv paperwork.
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    Guest Charles

    Posted

    Mitch,

    You keep doing what you are doing, but also remember, this was all their land before "us" settlers moved here. So who is the true illegal here?

    Benefits? really?....40 workers are not going to make our government fall.

    Why pick on people who are trying to work in this economy and start making a saying to the politicians who do more bad things for our systems than Home Depot workers.

    Contractors....btw.....just do the sale and find their, "workers" at the cheapest rates so the contractors make the most money.......Yes, I know contractors

    keep working legally, but sooner or later your employees may sue....hmmmmm.....no sueing if there is outside help, could save you.....keep an open mind. THEY JUST WANT TO WORK

    Charles

    -2 BS degrees

    -1 Masters

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    Guest Daniel

    Posted

    /Los Angeles Area

    In Harbor City, between PCH and 259th ST on Belle Porte Ave; There are MANY skilled and professional day laborers. I recommend “Andres”. Please feel welcome to pass this information to friends and family if any help is needed involving construction, home remodeling, landscaping, demolition, etc.They all come with many years of experience!

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    Guest Jeremiah Weiland

    Posted

    The title of this article is very telling of the respect that you have for the law, and you following the law is none of my business, but for other people's sales, this is a warning, so that they might be able to keep themselves from any Federal felonies that this may bring on them.

    "A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:

    assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,

    encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

    knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

    Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime."

    Source: http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/law-against-hiring-or-harboring-illegal-aliens

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    Guest Kirk S.

    Posted

    I’d be cautious about giving out the location of the guys you interviewed with the current administration’s immigration policies and the overly ambitious (too the point of being malicious bastards) ICE agents. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the immigrant hating Trumpites were asking you where to find them under the guise of wanting to hire, but in reality they could be using your insight to round them up. It’s sad that some people hate certain groups (that they likely have never actually had any type of real human interaction with) so much that they would go to such diabolical lengths in order to get them arrested/deported/ripped away from their families etc. All these guys are trying to do is work their asses off, doing jobs that most people wouldn’t do for twice the amount of money, in order to earn a little something to get by on.
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    Guest Tom T

    Posted

    Where can I find day labor in Scottsdale for simple, heavy tasks.  Moving brick and stone around my property
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    Guest Jason

    Posted

    Check out CasaLatina.org

    That is a nonprofit organization that helps Latin migrants find work at a fair wage. It is for the Seattle area, But maybe something can be set up similarly for your area

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    Guest Sally

    Posted

    Hello,

    I like the fact you did your "experiment" and somehow helped these men.

    There is a few things I would like to highlight, the title of you article can be taken as ignorant and as a way of generalizing. Yes, we are not perfect and we do not know it all. However, not everyone doing day labor is illegal. There are handyman, who simply have not been not able to acquire skills for them to enter the workforce in a different field. There are also, a few other things that I really thought you were joking, like the language. It should not be, "speak Mexico," the language is Spanish. These kind of mistakes make the source less credible. Also, either for you or those here in the comments section, nation wide there are programs and laws for day laborer under the department of labor. If you don't know, check it out. Also, each state and even each city has it regulations about it. I have worked with organizations and city in relation to Day Labor Centers.

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    Guest Sally

    Posted

    Mitch Stuve, thanks for sharing about your experience and it all was well-written.

    Charles, I agree with you. The concepts of legality are just social constructed. Many of these people can be descendant of people who already were living here.

    Some can receive benefit through there children, who can be US Citizen or a few other programs that are run for people regardless their immigration status.

    There are job and bad workers like there are good and bad contractors. It is important to keep in mind both sides of the story.

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    Guest Leslie Mandic

    Posted

    Ohhh me too! 7 years ago is probably  the last time I sourced HD for labor. I offered $15/hr. up front they lived near me so they drove (but I have round tripped in the past). 2 days ago I offered $15 & they laughed at me!! $25 an hour.!! I'm down near Gilroy I'm offering $5 an hour tax free of min. Wage!! I finally took 1 guy for $20 but he worked his ass off for 6 hours so I did give $25. I at least got what I expected done by 2 men. Fair is fair.

    My arguement was its 10am, you would rather stand here all day hoping for $25 when I will go $15 which is better than nothing IMO.

    I can see holding out at 7 but I was surprised at 10 I was lucky to find anyone.  Next week I'll go to Salinas that was a lot for some yard work and I dont know how you are going to work. Some guys are not that motivated.

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