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    Helping Illegal Home Depot Workers Get Jobs Faster

    Day Laborers at store around truck

    I don't care if they're in the United States legally or not, I respect people who make the attempt to work.

    If you wake up and stand in a hot/cold parking lot for hours for the chance to MAYBE get a $10/hour job doing boring ass grunt work....I respect that.

    This is the daily life of day laborers.

    Pretty much every single day they stand outside of stores such as Home Depot in hopes a building contractor needs some extra help.

    I wondered if a little copywriting could help these guys get work quicker.

    So I decided to try a little experiment.........

    I would like to acknowledge my good friend David Gonzales from Internet Marketing Party for his help in this experiment.  He's a real Mexico Person who speaks fluent Mexico and 100% of the communication I had with all these guys was through him.

    For this experiment he's the Mexican Neville!

    David GonzalesDavid Gonzales (This picture is completely un-altered in any way).

     

     

     

    What We Want To Accomplish:

    We'd like to see if we can help the dudes that stand on the street corner to work as day laborers get work quicker.

    Whatever method we come up with would have to be:

    • Repeatable across the country.
    • Cheap or free.
    • Simple enough to replicate by anyone.

     

     

     

    My Hypothesis: It's too complex and intimidating to hire from this market:

    Here's my original hypothesis:

    I think a HUGE problem that prevents people from utilizing these groups of able-bodied men for work is that it's super intimidating and scary to pull up to a group of them.

    They themselves don't look intimidating, but this is what happens soon as you pull up:

    Day Laborers Swarming Car

    You get freakin' SWARMED.

    This is actually a SMALL group of guys who broke away from talking to us to go see if the person in this car needed some day laborers (two guys ended up going with this car).

    Me and David both pulled up in black Lexus cars to a gas station, and before we could get out of our cars we both had 10+ dudes swarming each car.

    I ain't gonna lie, when 10 sorta-scrubby looking dudes surround you SOON as you park, your natural defense mechanisms go up.

    If a house-mom from the suburbs wants to hire some people to paint her house, she'd NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS use this method.

    It's too chaotic.

    It's too intimidating.

    It's too uncertain.

    I originally wanted to make binders showing their previous work, but this is a lot of work and money (and quite frankly, most of these guys have no specific skills to show off).

    So my hypothesis was that if each guy carries a small sign with their name and basic skills listed on it, you could easily choose who to pick.

    This way you can see which skills they have right away:

    day laborer signs

    So in the beginning, I was hoping to go talk to these guys and make them all signs.  I even brought markers and paperboard in my car.

     

     

     

    Where to Find Day Laborers:

    It was kind of hard to figure out online where these guys stand.  This isn't exactly a well-documented operation.  So we went off basic memory.  There were a few locations such as outside of Home Depot's where these guys always hang out at.

    We found an old torn-down Home Depot where across the street at a gas station these guys hang out.  So on a Wednesday morning David and I found the spot, we both pulled up into the parking lot of a gas station where these day laborers stand, and immediately were SWARMED by guys asking us (in Spanish) if we needed some help.

    "TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?" is all I heard.  (It means "Work?").

    The demographics of these guys were:

    • All men.
    • Primarily Mexican, Honduran, or Cuban.
    • Very few spoke English. At max some knew some basic English words.
    • Almost 100% are undocumented workers.
    • Age range from 22 to 65.

    We ended up speaking to a group of about 15-25 guys for an hour.

    We had to move parking lots when the owner of the gas station forced us to leave.

    There were 4 guys who were still interested in speaking with us, and talked with us for another full hour:

    Day Laborers ExperimentDavid, Neville, Laborer Dudes (for privacy reasons I chose to obscure their faces).

    We learned a lot from these guys about how this whole undocumented worker system operated. Here's what we learned about how this hiring "marketplace" works:

    How to hire day laborers (The Process):

    So here's what we learned about hiring a day laborer:

    At the specific corner we went to, they say about 40 people show up per day and wait around for work.  About 10 contractors or people will come through per day requesting workers.  This means about 15 - 20 of these guys will get picked up for work in a given day.  The others will not get work at all.

    They would call the contractors looking for help "Jefe's" which translates to "Bosses."

    They estimated about 30% of the "Jefe's" (Bosses) that pick them up are genuine and good people that pay them a fair wage.

    They estimated about 70% of the Jefe's try to weasel out of paying them, or blatantly lie about the work. For example a Jefe will imply they are going to pay someone $10/hour for work, then at the end of a 9 hour workday they'll say, "Here's your $10" and leave.  If the worker tries to protest or ask for more, the Jefe will call immigration.

    We heard story-after-story from these guys about how contractors would take them 2 hours outside the city, make them do backbreaking work, not offer any food/water/restrooms, pay them only 10% of what was agreed, and then leave them 2 hours outside the city with no way to get home.

    The workers essentially have zero recourse since they are undocumented workers.

    Another common scam is a contractor will say they are hiring them for only 2 hours to do easy air-conditioned cleaning work inside an office building.  When they get to the job site, the contractor then makes them do backbreaking work like manually pick-axe concrete for the same price and many many more hours than agreed.

    Since most of these guys sometimes have a total of $3.00 to their name, there's not much they can do besides accept the money and do nothing.

    What to Pay Day Laborers:

    The standard rate for a day laborer seemed to be between $10/hour and $12/hour.  The Jefe's they liked would pay them $10/hr for a full 8 hour workday.

    If someone were to hire a day laborer, to NOT be a completely terrible person it'd be common courtesy to:

    • Give them water.
    • Let them have access to a restroom.
    • It's not required, but lunch or some food would be nice.
    • Drive them back to the location you picked them up at.

    The other way to pay is to offer a set price for the work.  Maybe tell them you'll pay $50 for someone to paint a wall or move some lumber, and they will tell you who is willing to go for that price.

    How Can We Help:

    OK, so we know there are problems with this broken marketplace:

    • PROBLEM: The day laborers have no idea if a bad contractor will screw them over.

      SOLUTION: This problem has been solved by "ratings."  Amazon uses ratings to rate good/bad products.  Yelp uses ratings to rate good/bad restaurants.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way to get hired again by the good Jefe's except through luck.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by giving the Jefe their contact information.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way for a Jefe to know what skills a worker has.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by holding a sign with their skills.

    As we all were talking, I kept explaining (through the translation of David) how I think they should all keep little signs with their skills on it. This idea was rejected over-and-0ver, and quite honestly, I was a bit frustrated.

    It's like they didn't even WANT to try.

    There were two main mis-conceptions they had:

    1.) The signs I was suggesting made them look like they were begging on the side of the road, which is illegal in that area and could get them arrested.

    --and--

    2.) The signs I was suggesting would take away work from their fellow day laborers.

    THIS WAS A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEM.  They were shockingly loyal to one another, and anything that gave one guy an advantage over another they absolutely rejected.

    I kept persisting this method wasn't designed to screw over their friends, but rather make the whole marketplace more efficient.

    So then David pulled a business card out of his pocket as a demonstration of how the sign would work, and something shifted.

    When the conversation moved to them giving out business cards, they 100% agreed that would be a great idea!!

    However one guy pulled out his wallet and showed us he literally had $3 in TOTAL MONEY.  He couldn't afford business cards, or even knew how to get them made.

    Well fortunately we could maybe help them with that buy either paying for their business cards, or printing them out!

    So let's try a field-test of this business card idea.....

     

     

     

     

    Perform An In-Field Test by Printing Business Cards:

    So one thing that would help these guys tremendously is if a good Jefe needed work, he could simply text or call them for work.  100% of the guys on the corner had smartphones, so calling or texting wasn't a problem.

    It was actually a big revelation that the workers and contractors almost never traded contact info.  I explained to them how giving out business cards to the good Jefe's would dramatically increase their chances of getting a call or text from one of them asking for more help.  Perhaps even higher-paid specialized work.

    Four guys were down to try this out.  So we made some business cards for each of them.  I just bought a pack of Avery Business Card paper and printed them out manually on my inkjet printed (I purposely did not buy them online because it was 1.) too expensive for most of these guys and 2.) a lot of them don't have credit cards to buy stuff online.

    So we manually started making 4 different business cards for 4 different guys:

    It was pretty simple to make each business card using Avery Templates:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    It took about 5 minutes to write out and print out each set of business cards (30 business cards each):

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    In a few minutes we got all the business cards printed:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    I texted the day laborer dudes asking if I could come by the gas station and deliver their business cards, and surprisingly two of them were at David's house painting!  He was undergoing a big remodeling of his house and needed help, so he hired a couple of the guys:

    Giving business cards to day laborers

    So now armed with business cards these guys can "sell" their laborer more effectively without having to be at that street corner:

    Day laborer business cards jefe

     

     

    We then asked about skill level.  One guy was skilled at leveling entire foundations of houses. One guy was great at woodworking and cabinet building.

    I was curious if he had photos of his work, and he was proud to show it! Here's some pics he texted me:

    Cabinet and wood work

    Not bad huh?

    What's interesting about this is a lot of these guys have specialized skills which go completely under utilized.  This guy can do great woodworking and cabinetry, but since his sole way of getting business is standing at a gas station corner hoping for someone who needs day laborers, he's relegated to digging holes for fence posts and busting up chunks of concrete with a pick axe.

     

     

    Sincerely,

    Neville Medhora

     

    P.S. What else do you think these guys could do to get more work?  Let me know in the comments!


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    Guest Drake Dragon

    Posted

    Uhg, my first bad experience...Hired a bunch of laborer, one ended up being a contractor (well claimed). 4 guys at 400 a day, split between each so I though, then oen guy says he only does by Project 2800 for one room and 2800 for another. Didn't know by Sunday they were asking 1000, and by Wednesday asking 8000+ to complete remodeling (which they never did and wrecked the place). I supplied all the materials...what an awful experience this was too me... I will never use a day laborer.

    Unless its someone I know.

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    Guest kathy

    Posted

    I haven't seen day labor here in Vancouver, WA but have been fairly successful finding painters, roofers, flooring, etc on NextDoor or Craig's List. When I find a good guy/girl I ask them if they know anyone that does XYZ. They almost always come through with a good one. We provide, food, drink, breaks (set their own schedule), bathroom and conversation to build a relationship. All except one, provided excellent hard work for us and did everything possible to make sure we were happy with the work. Usually they understand/speak more than they let on, so my husband attempts his bad Spanish and they finally give in and meet somewhere in the middle with the language LOL. I don't care about their status, just their work ethic. We pay a fair price for the job agreed upon in the beginning and I usually have it confirmed by text for the record in case there is any dispute. Peace out people!
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    I realize this post is old.

    Anyway, I tend to think that anyone getting "benefits" is not going to stand in a parking lot and compete with 40 other guys, why would they? they're getting benefits!Commanding $18-20/hr? Why would any legit contractor take a chance to hire illegal immigrants at standard rates? You can lose your contractors license. If you're willing to pay 18-20/hr, it means you can't get reliable help, which brings you back to these guys, and it shows that they are hard workers. Who's the scumbag at the end of the day? The contractor whose willing to scam.

    These guys are willing to put an honest days work (at least most are, you will have a weasel or two in the bunch). From my experience, this is a good reliable source of employees.

    I'm in the North East and we barely have guys in parking lots looking for work.

    Anyhow, so far, I have not been able to contract ANY tradesman that can perform to their advertised bable. AND I have hired more than just a few, all talk, no shows and crap work, with referals, my head spins. When I decided to hire the Spanish guys, guess what I got? Reliable, respectful, punctual, dedicated.

     

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    I have used successfully day labor in Seattle lots ... north of Chicago people look at me like they have no idea. I don't get it.
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    Guest Mike / Michael

    Posted

    I've lived in Scottsdale or Phoenix my entire 38 years. 36th st and mcdowell Rd home depot always has them in the morning along with lots of other home depots.
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    Guest angela colindres

    Posted

    afternoon Neville im writting you to reach out to you in behalf of my husband he is an illigal imagrant from Honduras and is in need of a job here in san antonio texas he has been without a job for like 2 months i myself am a stay home mom. please my husband is a very hard worker her does everything but roofing or electrical work. i dont mean to brag but he does amazing work. please contact me
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    I am in Kissimmee FL what time do these guys usually stand outside Home Depot??
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    Guest John de Beck

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    So we have contractors who bid prevailing union wages. and then after they get the bid, they go and get undocumented labor.  Or they have built a list of guys they can get for 15 hr, when they bid the labor at 25-40.    I found hat whn I used these guys, I paid over scale (theirs) and got their phone numbers I got good workers.  Food and drink and transportation to a place they want to go gets you a good reputation.  And loyal workers, and friends.
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    Guest Hanna Ramirez

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    I am looking for some in Pennsylvania where can I find them? I need a crew of 15 ppl.
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    Guest JD Chavez

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    Great, job with the experiment.  I just stumble on your article, controversial but that's besides the point.  I'm going to be helping a group of these men/women in December 2020.  Distributing food, gift cards, anything that may help them for the week of Christmas.  It's a difficult economy, and anything will help them.  My personal goal is to contribute $5000 - $10,000 out of my own pocket.  Not exactly sure how i'll go about it, or what I'll be purchasing for the group (haven't figured out the logistics).  Reach out to me by email (thediegochavez@gmail.com) - I'd like to know how the experiment went, and if anyone would like to join forces with me let me know?  This is not a scam or some pyramid scheme... it's something I'm doing, and I found this article intriguing.

     

    Take Care

     

    Diego

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    I just had to reply, Charles, it seems your degrees have failed you. You claim to understand an industry you are not part of, as a professional flipper, and owner of a decent sized contracting company in the east bay - I can tell you flat out, you know not of what you speak. The industry is regulated for a reason, there is common expressions for the work that is done on homes by these individuals. They also undercut legitimate businesses by over promising and under performing, ruining a true craftsman trade.

     

    Please return to your field of study, i hope you show more signs of intelligence there.

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    Guest Michelle gentry

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    Great story! I live in Needles California and I am looking for a guy to do some work at my house. Do you know anyone or where I should go in Arizona for a day worker? Thanks Michelle
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