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    Get a job or start a business

    So you've officially become torn between getting a job or starting your own business....

    ....What to do??

    I've seen this conundrum play out hundreds of times, and hopefully this experience can help guide your decision.  Read on my friend:

     

    1.) Let's start why it's awesome to own a business:

    Running your own business is super glamorized because people see all the good stuff about it.....and to be honest, there ARE a lot of good things about it:

    When you're running the show, you get to do ANYYYYTTTHING you want!  Do you want your "global headquarters" (aka you with a laptop) located on a beach in Costa Rica?  Cool.....go!

    You get to write off a shit-ton of stuff on your taxes. You even get to save more money by being a business owner (a normal ROTH IRA allows you to sock away $5,500/year in savings tax free, however a business SEP IRA allows you to sock away $53,000/year.  That's 10x more.  Giggity).

    You get to be your own boss, call all the shots, decided what you want (and don't want) to do everyday.  It's 100% up to you.

    Many first time entrepreneurs go through this short-lived euphoria of setting up their business and it's exciting and fun!

    This is known as the "Playing Business" Phase.  It's where you get caught up in making business cards, making overly-complex business plans, thinking of incorporating an LLC, hashing out who's gonna be your C.T.O. and C.F.O. and Chief Whateverthefuckyouwant Officer.

    And by all means, you SHOULD enjoy aspects of this!

    It's fun!

    It's exciting!

    It's creative!

    But it also doesn't make you ONE GODDAMN DOLLAR.

    Soon this "Playing Business" euphoria starts to wear off, and reality starts to set in.  In whatever business you go into, there's going to be a lot more unexpected expenses and hassles than are generally reported.

    It kind of goes like this:

    Good and bad running business

     

    PERSONAL SIDE STORY:

    I have a friend who runs a big commercial real estate company.  It would seem like an envious and glamorous position to have millions of feet real estate under management, but if you were to go work for them, you would see the most whackadoodle shit of your life.  Tenants do some WEIRD things, people file dumb lawsuits, drunk drivers literally run into your buildings, homeless people setup camp inside buildings, insurance companies use borderline illegal tactics, people steal stuff, city regulations are always changing, moving a toilet and faucet for a tenant can cost more than $30,000 in plumbing alone.....it's just one thing after another.  

    It's never straight-and-simple as it seems.

    With that in mind, let's talk about the BAD parts of owning a business:

     

     

    2.) The BAD parts about owning a business:

    Let's just start with this my friend:

    You tend to see the "highlight reel" of someone's life, not the bad sides.

    For example, here's two pictures that make running a business seem awesome:

    1.) this is a pic of me having fun on a $5,800 gravity flight where a plane flies in parabolas over the ocean and creates a "weightless" environment:

    zero-g-neville

    Pretty sweet huh?  That flight wasn't cheap, yet the disposable income from my business allowed me to do it without thinking much of the price.

    ....and in this picture below I took a two-week-long workcation to Thailand. Here I am working in a hammock on a private beach:

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    Seems pretty relaxing right??

    These two pictures you'll see on my social media accounts make owning a business seems pretty fun!!

    But what I don't show you is that for every 1 cool picture like that, there's 5 or more boring pictures like this:

    dark office neville lamps

    That's a picture I took....

    ....in a dark-ass office.

    ....all alone.

    ....at 1:45am.

    ....on a Tuesday night.

    ....and my contacts were dry and hurting from looking at a screen for 12 hours.

    ....doing work I didn't want to do.

    THAT my friend, is the part of owning a business that doesn't get much attention. Because I run my own business, it's 100% up to me to get things done, and sometimes this is what it takes.

    Owning a business doesn't seem so great at that moment.

    But people cherrypick what they choose to view something as.

    It's great working on your passion or working for yourself.....but there WILL ALWAYS be sour patches in the journey.  Lots of them.  The most successful people I know have one thing in common: They simply work a ton.  That's it.

    Yet that "boring" part of owning a business is rarely focused on.

    I pulled these quotes from some of my notes from interviews where people ask about a work/life balance:

    Question asked to Elon Musk:

    "How do you balance your work and personal life, and take care of yourself?"

    Elon's Response:

    "I'm not currently performing a set of actions that will maximize my life expectancy."

     

    Question asked to Neil DeGrass Tyson:

    "How do you balance your work and personal life?"

    Neil's Response:

    ::he laughs hysterically::  "I don't. If I achieve a balance, then I'm not working hard enough."

     

    Question asked to Mark Zuckerberg:

    "How do you separate your work and personal life?"

    Mark's Response:

    ::he laughs::  "I don't."

    The answers they gave all elicited laughs from the audience, but behind those answers are people who essentially work nearly every waking hour they have.  

    When a lot of people think about owning a business they imagine freedom, money & passion.......not 24 hours a day of work.

     

     

    3.) The GOOD parts about having a job:

    This part should more accurately be called "Good parts about having a GOOD job."

    If you're working a minimum wage fast food job and you're barely scraping by on that salary.....I'd imagine your job doesn't seem that great.

    However if you're highly paid engineer and you're making a great salary.....life probably isn't THAT bad!

    A steady job can provide you all sorts of sweet stuff:

    • You get a steady Income.
    • You learn new Skills.
    • It's hard to F-up TOO badly.
    • You learn how large companies operate.
    • You show up from 9-5 and take home a check.
    • You can balance work life and personal life.

    I think one of the greatest benefits of having a job is the stable income. Every single month you get a nice check!

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    Stable income is great in a lot of ways.  You can measure out exactly how much you can spend, therefore you can plan & prepare very well.  You are pretty much guaranteed this income.

    You don't have a feast-or-famine mentality like you sometimes get in a business.

    It would seem that if you:  Work with people you like + Working on projects you like + Get salary/perks you like = You probably like your job.

    I actually don't see the problem with having a job like this.  In fact I know tons of people at great companies who like their job at around an 85% level, and live a great life because of it!

     

     

    4.) The BAD parts about having a job:

    While having a stable income and job can be great, there's some obvious downside of having a job:

    • Your schedule always revolves around your job, not your own social activities.
    • You're sometimes forced to do things you don't want to do.
    • You're sometimes forced to work with people you don't like.
    • You're often pigeonholed into the same work everyday.
    • You get a stable salary, but the potential for that number skyrocketing higher is very low.

    Being forced to interact with people you don't like + Working on a project you don't like = You probably hate your job.

    As with anything in life, there's positives and negatives.  And despite all the good things a stable job can bring, it'll also bring some bad things.

     

     

    5.) Get A Job or Start A Business? It depends on your Risk Tolerance:

    A lot of young people working at a company will say this line: "I don't want to be like those old people who've been working there for over 30 years!"

    But that's not looking at it correctly.  Those "old people" are in their 50's and 60's and are trying ride out the cushy gig they've got going!  They treat their job as a way to earn money and live a nice life.  What's wrong with that?

    If you're young, hungry and aggressive.....then perhaps that lifestyle isn't for you YET.  But stack on 20 years of life experience, get a spouse, pile on some kids, get roped into a mortgage and maybe the view will change:

    family expenses

    It really just depends which stage in your life you're at.  The guy above needs some serious cash flow coming in to support his family, and he probably spends most of his time in one place near his home because of the kids' school, and he probably prioritizes family above work......so maybe he WILL want to ride out a cushy job for all it's worth.  A stable 9-5 job is probably ideal for this guy at this stage.

    However if you're freshly out of college and wondering what to do in life, assuming you have low financial burdens, you can pretty much DO ANYTHING YOU WANT for a few years with very low consequence.

     

    Personal Side Story:

    All through college I had little side businesses going, and I was also WAY more frugal than I am now, so I saved nearly all my money.

    By the time I graduated college, I had built up somewhere between $30,000 and $50,000 in savings to live on.  My rent at the time was something like $320/month, and I had extremely minimal monthly expenses, so theoretically I could live for 1-2 years pretty comfortably off that money and still have some emergency cushion money.

    So while everyone was busy getting jobs after college, I was able to just "test the waters" with entrepreneurship before I got a job.  I already had business(es) going at that time, and they were making money, so I wouldn't suffer any downsides by taking this path (like going totally homeless).

    So going the entrepreneur route for me was actually NOT a risky move at all.

    Some people think I riskily dove off a cliff into the unknown waters of business......but it's more like I slowly walked down a staircase into the water, AND had a life jacket on (my savings account), AND had a lifeguard in case things went terribly wrong (my parents).

     

     

     

     

    6.) What to do if you're curious about starting a business:

    Without fail, this is the specific path I've seen for people who've successfully transitioned out of their jobs:

    Keep job --> Work on side project in spare time --> If it gains traction, go harder --> Quit job when side income becomes greater than job.

    I'd say there's an 80% chance of you actually not enjoying running a business at all, or not willing to push/sell hard enough to make it.  If you can't successfully run a business "on the side" then you probably won't be able to run one full time either.

    You have to be CURIOUS and WORK HARD at whatever you do, and expect that you might not make money for a loooonng time.

    What if I told you the "marketing blog" you're starting will NEVER make a cent.  Ever.

    Would you still do it?  Would you still slave over posts at 3am trying to make them perfect?

    A lot of people want to follow their passion, but ALSO expect it to make hella money.  These are conflicting views, as your passion may not always make you a lot of money.

    But also without some passion, it's unlikely you'll push hard enough to make a business.

    Here's a thought experiment:

    There's two YouTube channels started on the same day:

    YOUTUBE CHANNEL 1.) A grown man starts a YouTube channel because he saw that some YouTuber's make lots of money.....so he starts doing product review videos and putting a bunch of affiliate links in the description. He hopes his new YouTube channel will make him millions like that famous YouTuber he is copying.

    YOUTUBE CHANNEL 2.) A kid in his parents house who is absolutely obsessed with tech gadgets, computers, and programs makes a channel for fun where he reviews tech and does tutorials on hundreds of programs.  He does it for fun and it's his hobby.  Making money from it never entered his mind.

    Which of these two YouTube channels will end up succeeding?

    Channel 2 is the answer.

    Here's a real life example of that:

    This is Marques Brownlee.  He's been one of my favorite tech reviewers on YouTube for years.  He produces super high quality gadget reviews, has good opinions about new tech stuff, and gets access to all these gadgets before they come out:

    marques

    He's super influential with 3.5million+ subscribers. I was surprised to find out that currently he's only 22 years old.  One would surmise that being such an influence in tech AND so young: "This kid came out of nowhere!!!"

    However if you look back on his YouTube channel, it goes back over 7+ years to when he was 13 years old.....and he did literally HUNDREDS of tech reviews and how-to videos per year since he was 13!!!!

    In our How To Become A Famous YouTuber research we analyzed how long it took Marques to become popular, and the data shows it took him over 4 years of getting no traffic before he started taking off....and in that time he published HUNDREDS of videos just for the love of it!

    MKBHD Youtube Channel Stats Chart

    You can see his oldest videos here and notice he published several times per week for YEARS before gaining a lot of traction:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/marquesbrownlee/videos?sort=da&flow=grid&view=0

    marques brownlee old photo

    Seriously, check out his old archives and click "more videos" to see them all.....it's literally HUNDREDS OF VIDEOS PER YEAR.

    Clearly this kid had a passion for reviewing and showing off tech, and also one hell of a work ethic to consistently put out this many videos by himself, in his spare time.

    So is it really any wonder he's one of the top tech reviewers today?

    Is it really any wonder the guy that posts 4 tech reviews and amazon affiliate links gets frustrated "he made zero dollars" and promptly quits?

    I can't wait to see Marques' face when someone asks him "How did you get 4.8 Million subscribers so quickly?"

    His answer will be: "I consistently filmed, edited, and published over 2,000 videos over the course of 8 years."

     

    Personal Side Story:

    I've done the "passion" thing before, and I've done the "let's just grab some money" thing before.  They both work if you're willing to put in a lot of effort:

    PASSION/HOBBY:

    When I started NevBlog I didn't realize it would lead to other stuff.  It's just that blogger.com was an easy way to keep track of monthly finances in chronological order.  I never in a million years though NevBlog would make a cent.  I updated that blog for YEARS just because I wanted to track my finances, stay accountable, and remember what the hell I did the prior month.

    I even have an ultra-old website Neville1.com that dates back 17 years to the year 2000 where I posted articles and pictures using Microsoft FrontPage 1997.  It was a hobby.  It was fun to me.

    So when people ask me about how KopywritingKourse got to become such a large blog so quickly.....I don't think of it like that.  I think of it as a slow 17 year progression starting with some dumb personal website I made as an experiment and continuous improvement ever since.

     

    STRAIGHT UP CA$$$SH:

    A business I started in high school and made money all through college for me was HouseOfRave.com (I sold the business in 2011 so I no longer own it).  I drop-shipped rave gear. I didn't give a CRAP about raves, I've still never been to one till this day,  However I was totally in love with eCommerce and being able to sell stuff online.  HouseOfRave was started out of pure curiosity to see if I could start an eCommerce business.

    It quickly started making money, however it never gave me as much joy as other hobby projects.  I kept it around to make money.

     

     

    By doing something on the side, you will quickly figure out if you love it or hate it.

    Many people romanticize the idea of owning their own business.  Many want to "be a blogger" and in their head imagine some nomadic lifestyle with money magically pouring in.

    I'll hardcore push these people to START their own blog, even if it's ghetto at first.  Normally at this point they spend 90% of their time doing dumb stuff like picking out a blog theme or obsessing which email service provider to use in the future when they have 800,000,000,000,000 subscribers.

    Almost without fail, within a month they've stalled out.

    They stop blogging because they quickly realized they hate it.

    We're humans and we tend to romanticize what it'll be like "on the other side."  We see only the positive aspects, but until we experience those negatives, it's difficult to realize those negatives even exist.

     

    It's hard to figure out what you like.

    It's easier to figure out what you DON'T like.

    No no no YES

     

    Personal Side Story:

    I really really really expected myself to become a doctor when I was in high school (after all I AM Indian).  It just sounded cool to be a doctor, so I enrolled in this program in high school where I got to leave school for 3 hours every-other-day and shadow different doctors.

    I think it was around the 6th week of shadowing doctors that I ABSOLUTELY KNEW I would not enjoy that work.

    It just wasn't for me.  The empathy required, the paperwork required, the rules you have to follow, the amount of caution you need at every step, the amount of studying biology involved.....I could just tell my personality at the time would NOT have fit into that profession.

    I still didn't fully know what I wanted to be, but I sure as hell knew what I DIDN'T want to be.  I could clearly tell that I was not willing to dedicate the next 10 years of my life to enter that profession.

    Knowing this saved me years of time in college (had I not done that program, I would have enrolled in a pre-med course and wasted years of time).

     

     

    "Bro....you haven't answered my question. Should I get a job or start a business??"

    Here's my ultra-short answer:

    If you have job + love it = Stay at job.

    If you have job + hate it + curious about business = Milk your job long as you can and start something on the side.

    If you don't have a job + don't have a business = Try both.

    Try a bunch of things on the side.  Remember, it's easy to find out what you DON'T like.

     

     

    Job Vs. Business Quotes From People I Respect:

    My opinion is just ONE opinion.  Here's a few other viewpoints on keeping a job vs starting a business:

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    P.S.  I LOVE LOVE LOVE hearing people's stories or opinions on this subject.  Comment below letting me know which you think is better (Starting a biz -or- having a job)?  What did you choose your path, and why??


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    Guest Gregg Hopfeldt

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    If you're even thinking of starting a business then do it. Probably my favorite quote, although I don't know the author, is: "You regret more the things you didn't do than the things you did." In 20 years time you don't want to wonder what would have happened if you'd started a business.
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    Guest Katz Yair

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    hi neville,

    would love to hear you thoughts about this one:

    "If you have job + love it + try/own a side business/blog + it doesn't rise for more than a year = ?"

    i know i should probably drop it and kiss it goodbye. But I'm sure it can rise in the end - it does bring in some money, but hardly as much as i wanted it to bring.

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    Guest Ari Gold

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    I like it because it gives those who want to get a job peace of mind that it's not the end of the world in today's zeitgeist where everyone has to be a startup founder.

    Why's that going on? How comes NOBODY writes about how to get a GOOD JOB? Why's it always you have a job that sucks or you start your own business?

    Love the post, def will share with friends both interested in business or content with getting a good job.

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    Guest Neville

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    Thanks for the kind words! I get asked this question a lot (in various forms), so I went ahead and put some time into making this article. Glad you liked, and hope others do too!
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    Guest Ricardo

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    Hi Neville,

    I have the same doubt at moment.

    I have a stable job in a multinacional, but I would like start my digital business... I started with a simple list with 10 contacts now I have 50 contacts and i don't have a website yet. At moment with the list I can do a 500$ per month with digital marketing consulting and creation websites.

    My idea now is create a blog about digital marketing for increase my list, but you are right regarding this mention:

    "What if I told you the “marketing blog” you’re starting will NEVER make a cent. Ever. ?"

    Nevertheless is better do a test than ever never a test =)

    Thank you!

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    Guest Neville

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    I think you're doing the right thing. If you like your job and all that it provides, that's great! If you'd like to become a freelance copywriter on the side, maybe you should start trying it out?

    I wrote out ALL my thoughts/tactics on becoming a copywriter in this article if you're interested Marie!

    https://copywritingcourse.com/how-to-become-a-copywriter/

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    Guest Neville

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    Oh wow, what a unique perspective Jason! Maybe even a prize-worthy post, I may use a snippet of that in the actual post.

    Well the good part is you're ahead of the other people who've NEVER started a business. At least you've already rode the bicycle, and now just have to practice a bit to stay upright :)

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    Guest Neville

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    Awesome.....so glad that hit you and hopefully sticks with you. Until something is going along well, THEN quit your job. Don't assume that if you quit that automatically means it will work!
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    Guest Neville

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    Very true Gregg. I just hope people don't pre-maturely quit their jobs just because they're starting a business. It can be done on the side, and then slowly transition out of the job!
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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Katz, that's a much more nuanced thing, and I've been in that same spot before. It's tough to give up something that's already working.

    I think you should ask yourself this question: "In 3 or 5 years, will this business get STRONGER AND MORE IN DEMAND or will it start to erode away?"

    For example, I knew the drop-shipping industry the way I knew it in 2001 was quickly eroding away in 2010. That's why I seriously started looking for other businesses besides just drop-shipping. I could tell that by 2015 I would have A LOT MORE competition and the methods of doing business in general were changing to where the middle-man (me) would get cut out.

    Maybe try a three month test:

    Work your ass off for 3 months trying to grow the business 50% (or whatever attainable metric). If you can't do that, maybe it's not worth it and you should try something else.

    Best of luck Katz!

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    Guest Neville

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    Totally true! I think people equate "Founder" as "Super Rich" ....which just isn't true, and often it's the complete opposite.

    I know people who work at regular companies who make tons of money, have awesome benefits, and in general live a pretty great life because of it.

    The best part is: If someone DOES want to experiment with entrepreneurship, they can still doing it WHILE holding onto their job!

    Thanks for sharing Ari!

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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Ricardo, it seems you're doing this the right way: Keeping your job and trying a biz on the side.

    It seems like you have a desire to make your marketing blog, and that's great.....like I said in the post, "It's easy to figure out what you DON'T like." If you don't like updating the blog regularly, you'll figure out quick!

    Go for it and see how it pans out.

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    Guest Marie

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    Thanks Neville, I'm going to take your Kopywriting Kourse. I started reading "The Boron Letters" and waiting for Amazon to deliver the books you recommended. Thank you for sharing your knowledge :)
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    Guest Millie Jones

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    Hey Neville,

    I really appreciate all your emails and have them in a separate folder for use eventually! I'm an "old" woman who has been looking for a job since last November, with no luck. Thanks to your advice in one of your emails, I now write a monthly article for an assisted living community, using the hints you listed. It pays me $100 a month, which in addition to my social security, brings me up to the grand total of $845 a month. When I figure out how to market myself, I will approach other communities in hopes of landing a few more monthly jobs. I enjoy your wit, and your good advice. Thanks,

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    This was a great post. I'm glad you did this Neville! It certainly shows there are a number of ways of doing it. It was interesting seeing all the different opinions.

    I like the idea of having a job and start your business on the side. Once your business make enough to cover your basic living expenses switch so you live of your business and invest your job income. I believe it will make you grow your business faster and you will learn things quicker because you may feel more dependent on the business for your source on income.

    Great job and keep these great posts coming!

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    Guest Will Robins

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    Working on your passion is great. Sometimes they are called hobbies.

    When you have other depending on you - That stage of life is called work. (2 kids, wife, and a cat here)

    I also haven't made some risky decisions on purpose.

    I love the idea of teaching and the way you have your blog going. This is a clean version and not a "sell sell sell" blog feel. Very nice.

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    Guest Christian

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    When I was young, I wanted to become a Rock Star. I didn't learn for school, instead I made music in 1994 which sounded like 1984 and hoped to earn money with it. It all went more serious. We recorded two CDs, made some bucks and went on tour. I found out I hate touring. I hate sleeping in other beds than my own. I hate being away from my place. So I stopped. We had no chance anyway, our music was simply too old fashioned (saying that now from a distance).

    Then I started organizing medieval games. It started to went well, but it was too much dirt and too many weird people. I stopped doing that. My friends kept on, they are running a six figure business now. But I am happy: I am not longer interested in medieval games. It was just a temporary thing.

    However, I wrote the websites for both projects at some point. I love programming. I still do.

    Programmers always find a job. Still I was so scared to quit and go for my own. After years (!) I went out. I had no customers for a few months, so I build my own product. Then the first customers came and today I have almost no time for my product.

    I am not sure why I was afraid. As a programmer I would always find a job if it doesn't work out well. If I was not a programmer, I could have worked at McDonalds or deliver Pizza if it would not work out. The point is, I was ready to maximize my time as self employed. There is ALWAYS a way to earn some money. You just need to be able to focus for 90% on the self employment.

    When I was still employed, I was so tired after work I could not code for others. Working on weekends until you make some bucks and the go self employed is not always the best option. Except, you can have a shitty job which doesn't take a lot of energy away.

    As soon as the employment is taking more energy than the self-employment you are doing it wrong.

    Fear is a very bad advisor.

    However, trying things out without the urgent itch to go self-employed is not bad either. In example, I tried out how it is to be a Rock musician without going self-employed instantly. I am glad, I would have failed miserably. I also tried to code. I liked it, now I am here and code the whole day.

    I admit, it is hard to go self employed without being a programmer. In example: who needs a professional blogger? There are some, you need to find these people. It will take ages for you to reach out to the right people. You might need to have 40 hours a week for quite a while until build up your network of customers.

    Sum up all the expenses you have for a month, cut everything you don't urgently need and then check how long you can survive. If you are ready to live on the edge for three years: go for it. If you are in doubt, wait and try things out without any expectation of running your own business. As soon as the doubt goes away, try it.

    In the end, with the right amount of energy you can always go back to some employment. Maybe not the nice, sweet job you just have. But maybe even a better job, because you have got a lot more experience.

    For me, it only worked when I committed myself full time to my business.

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    Let's flip this the other way. In what situations should you quit your job without any traction with your side-hustle?
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    Guest Ian Hamshaw

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    Lottery win?

    I guess quitting your job at any stage comes down to what are going to do with all the time you create when you quit?

    Guess it depends on how long you can pay the bills for?

     

    My backstory is unimportant, my choice to move to a cheap country and grind out work and learn as I go was based on the fact that I could do this with very little ripples created, such as no children to feed, mortgage to pay, and girlfriend who fully supports the life change.

    Yes I need to eat and I need money for that, but the buzz for me currently is living the lifestyle I want which is location independent regardless of the known known that I would be shackled to another desk but I get to choose where that desk is.

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    Ian, have you heard of Sean Ogle of Location Rebel? I think I read that he quit his job with 10k in savings, moved to Thailand, furiously worked on his marketing skills and built some traction that way, now has a full fledged business.

    I think it comes down to what type of person you are. For some people, they need the fear of becoming broke to push them to work hard to gain traction with their side hustle. For others, they need the safety net of their current job, to reduce the anxiety of potentially failing. Or of course, if they have loans and strings attached.

    Ian, I'm in the same boat you were. No student loans, mortgage, children or girlfriend and am trying to figure out the best course of action to create a location independent lifestyle. How long did it take you to grind out work to build a livable income?

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    Guest Ian Hamshaw

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    I had not heard of that book so thank you I am on it now.

     

    My first move to Asia I paid six months rent upfront ($1200) took a TEFL teaching job whilst working on Fiverr. The teaching job lasted two months and provided a further six months rent. Then I had time for my own work and Fiverr.

    It has taken me 18 months to date as I want to learn SEO, WP, Copy the whole hog! Life is modular in that I learn as much as I can then implement, then get stuck, then turn my attention to another subject. I recently burnt out on SEO and have a super duper SEO site sat at the top of page 2, kept scratching my head for too long before realising my copy was woeful as all attention was on SEO so back to copy and more focus on marketing. This side of the business is slow to develop.

    However I met a chap who is following the same path but only writing copy and he is now earning in excess of $1000 through Fiverr. Writers are hard to get, good ones at least so once you have a client on Fiverr for writing you tend to get a lot more work. My friend is now in that stage of looking to outsource some of his work so he can take on more work and he has developed that with no prior business skills just writing all day and night and advising clients on longer articles, or adding the blog post to WP for increase in fee or adding images so that his average article cost goes from $5 per client to $50 per client over a period of time.

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    Guest Michael

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    "My first $50,000 was harder to get than my last $5,000,000."

    Dude, I can see how this can be so true both at the macro and micro level.

    On a micro level I can speak from experience, my first $1,500 month was far more difficult than my first $15,000 month.

    That's a great quote, thanks for sharing

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    Guest Neville

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    Great advice everyone! Spencer you might want to think of looking for a new job, and then immediately starting a little biz on the side.

    As you can tell by now, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, so you gotta put several hours a day/night into it for years.

    If you're not willing to do that, it might not be for you.

    But give it a try!

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    Guest Neville

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    Oh wow that's amazing you got paying gigs out of it Millie, congratulations!
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    Guest Neville

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    Thanks Joe, I think that method is the best way to leave a job also. Generally when people just take a huge leap and "try a business" after quitting a job, they realize it may not have been such a great idea after all.

    Thanks again for the kind words Joe!

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