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    Helping Illegal Home Depot Workers Get Jobs Faster

    Day Laborers at store around truck

    I don't care if they're in the United States legally or not, I respect people who make the attempt to work.

    If you wake up and stand in a hot/cold parking lot for hours for the chance to MAYBE get a $10/hour job doing boring ass grunt work....I respect that.

    This is the daily life of day laborers.

    Pretty much every single day they stand outside of stores such as Home Depot in hopes a building contractor needs some extra help.

    I wondered if a little copywriting could help these guys get work quicker.

    So I decided to try a little experiment.........

    I would like to acknowledge my good friend David Gonzales from Internet Marketing Party for his help in this experiment.  He's a real Mexico Person who speaks fluent Mexico and 100% of the communication I had with all these guys was through him.

    For this experiment he's the Mexican Neville!

    David GonzalesDavid Gonzales (This picture is completely un-altered in any way).

     

     

     

    What We Want To Accomplish:

    We'd like to see if we can help the dudes that stand on the street corner to work as day laborers get work quicker.

    Whatever method we come up with would have to be:

    • Repeatable across the country.
    • Cheap or free.
    • Simple enough to replicate by anyone.

     

     

     

    My Hypothesis: It's too complex and intimidating to hire from this market:

    Here's my original hypothesis:

    I think a HUGE problem that prevents people from utilizing these groups of able-bodied men for work is that it's super intimidating and scary to pull up to a group of them.

    They themselves don't look intimidating, but this is what happens soon as you pull up:

    Day Laborers Swarming Car

    You get freakin' SWARMED.

    This is actually a SMALL group of guys who broke away from talking to us to go see if the person in this car needed some day laborers (two guys ended up going with this car).

    Me and David both pulled up in black Lexus cars to a gas station, and before we could get out of our cars we both had 10+ dudes swarming each car.

    I ain't gonna lie, when 10 sorta-scrubby looking dudes surround you SOON as you park, your natural defense mechanisms go up.

    If a house-mom from the suburbs wants to hire some people to paint her house, she'd NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS use this method.

    It's too chaotic.

    It's too intimidating.

    It's too uncertain.

    I originally wanted to make binders showing their previous work, but this is a lot of work and money (and quite frankly, most of these guys have no specific skills to show off).

    So my hypothesis was that if each guy carries a small sign with their name and basic skills listed on it, you could easily choose who to pick.

    This way you can see which skills they have right away:

    day laborer signs

    So in the beginning, I was hoping to go talk to these guys and make them all signs.  I even brought markers and paperboard in my car.

     

     

     

    Where to Find Day Laborers:

    It was kind of hard to figure out online where these guys stand.  This isn't exactly a well-documented operation.  So we went off basic memory.  There were a few locations such as outside of Home Depot's where these guys always hang out at.

    We found an old torn-down Home Depot where across the street at a gas station these guys hang out.  So on a Wednesday morning David and I found the spot, we both pulled up into the parking lot of a gas station where these day laborers stand, and immediately were SWARMED by guys asking us (in Spanish) if we needed some help.

    "TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?  TRABAJO?" is all I heard.  (It means "Work?").

    The demographics of these guys were:

    • All men.
    • Primarily Mexican, Honduran, or Cuban.
    • Very few spoke English. At max some knew some basic English words.
    • Almost 100% are undocumented workers.
    • Age range from 22 to 65.

    We ended up speaking to a group of about 15-25 guys for an hour.

    We had to move parking lots when the owner of the gas station forced us to leave.

    There were 4 guys who were still interested in speaking with us, and talked with us for another full hour:

    Day Laborers ExperimentDavid, Neville, Laborer Dudes (for privacy reasons I chose to obscure their faces).

    We learned a lot from these guys about how this whole undocumented worker system operated. Here's what we learned about how this hiring "marketplace" works:

    How to hire day laborers (The Process):

    So here's what we learned about hiring a day laborer:

    At the specific corner we went to, they say about 40 people show up per day and wait around for work.  About 10 contractors or people will come through per day requesting workers.  This means about 15 - 20 of these guys will get picked up for work in a given day.  The others will not get work at all.

    They would call the contractors looking for help "Jefe's" which translates to "Bosses."

    They estimated about 30% of the "Jefe's" (Bosses) that pick them up are genuine and good people that pay them a fair wage.

    They estimated about 70% of the Jefe's try to weasel out of paying them, or blatantly lie about the work. For example a Jefe will imply they are going to pay someone $10/hour for work, then at the end of a 9 hour workday they'll say, "Here's your $10" and leave.  If the worker tries to protest or ask for more, the Jefe will call immigration.

    We heard story-after-story from these guys about how contractors would take them 2 hours outside the city, make them do backbreaking work, not offer any food/water/restrooms, pay them only 10% of what was agreed, and then leave them 2 hours outside the city with no way to get home.

    The workers essentially have zero recourse since they are undocumented workers.

    Another common scam is a contractor will say they are hiring them for only 2 hours to do easy air-conditioned cleaning work inside an office building.  When they get to the job site, the contractor then makes them do backbreaking work like manually pick-axe concrete for the same price and many many more hours than agreed.

    Since most of these guys sometimes have a total of $3.00 to their name, there's not much they can do besides accept the money and do nothing.

    What to Pay Day Laborers:

    The standard rate for a day laborer seemed to be between $10/hour and $12/hour.  The Jefe's they liked would pay them $10/hr for a full 8 hour workday.

    If someone were to hire a day laborer, to NOT be a completely terrible person it'd be common courtesy to:

    • Give them water.
    • Let them have access to a restroom.
    • It's not required, but lunch or some food would be nice.
    • Drive them back to the location you picked them up at.

    The other way to pay is to offer a set price for the work.  Maybe tell them you'll pay $50 for someone to paint a wall or move some lumber, and they will tell you who is willing to go for that price.

    How Can We Help:

    OK, so we know there are problems with this broken marketplace:

    • PROBLEM: The day laborers have no idea if a bad contractor will screw them over.

      SOLUTION: This problem has been solved by "ratings."  Amazon uses ratings to rate good/bad products.  Yelp uses ratings to rate good/bad restaurants.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way to get hired again by the good Jefe's except through luck.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by giving the Jefe their contact information.

    • PROBLEM: There's no way for a Jefe to know what skills a worker has.

      SOLUTION: This problem can be solved by holding a sign with their skills.

    As we all were talking, I kept explaining (through the translation of David) how I think they should all keep little signs with their skills on it. This idea was rejected over-and-0ver, and quite honestly, I was a bit frustrated.

    It's like they didn't even WANT to try.

    There were two main mis-conceptions they had:

    1.) The signs I was suggesting made them look like they were begging on the side of the road, which is illegal in that area and could get them arrested.

    --and--

    2.) The signs I was suggesting would take away work from their fellow day laborers.

    THIS WAS A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEM.  They were shockingly loyal to one another, and anything that gave one guy an advantage over another they absolutely rejected.

    I kept persisting this method wasn't designed to screw over their friends, but rather make the whole marketplace more efficient.

    So then David pulled a business card out of his pocket as a demonstration of how the sign would work, and something shifted.

    When the conversation moved to them giving out business cards, they 100% agreed that would be a great idea!!

    However one guy pulled out his wallet and showed us he literally had $3 in TOTAL MONEY.  He couldn't afford business cards, or even knew how to get them made.

    Well fortunately we could maybe help them with that buy either paying for their business cards, or printing them out!

    So let's try a field-test of this business card idea.....

     

     

     

     

    Perform An In-Field Test by Printing Business Cards:

    So one thing that would help these guys tremendously is if a good Jefe needed work, he could simply text or call them for work.  100% of the guys on the corner had smartphones, so calling or texting wasn't a problem.

    It was actually a big revelation that the workers and contractors almost never traded contact info.  I explained to them how giving out business cards to the good Jefe's would dramatically increase their chances of getting a call or text from one of them asking for more help.  Perhaps even higher-paid specialized work.

    Four guys were down to try this out.  So we made some business cards for each of them.  I just bought a pack of Avery Business Card paper and printed them out manually on my inkjet printed (I purposely did not buy them online because it was 1.) too expensive for most of these guys and 2.) a lot of them don't have credit cards to buy stuff online.

    So we manually started making 4 different business cards for 4 different guys:

    It was pretty simple to make each business card using Avery Templates:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    It took about 5 minutes to write out and print out each set of business cards (30 business cards each):

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    In a few minutes we got all the business cards printed:

    Day Laborer Business Cards

    I texted the day laborer dudes asking if I could come by the gas station and deliver their business cards, and surprisingly two of them were at David's house painting!  He was undergoing a big remodeling of his house and needed help, so he hired a couple of the guys:

    Giving business cards to day laborers

    So now armed with business cards these guys can "sell" their laborer more effectively without having to be at that street corner:

    Day laborer business cards jefe

     

     

    We then asked about skill level.  One guy was skilled at leveling entire foundations of houses. One guy was great at woodworking and cabinet building.

    I was curious if he had photos of his work, and he was proud to show it! Here's some pics he texted me:

    Cabinet and wood work

    Not bad huh?

    What's interesting about this is a lot of these guys have specialized skills which go completely under utilized.  This guy can do great woodworking and cabinetry, but since his sole way of getting business is standing at a gas station corner hoping for someone who needs day laborers, he's relegated to digging holes for fence posts and busting up chunks of concrete with a pick axe.

     

     

    Sincerely,

    Neville Medhora

     

    P.S. What else do you think these guys could do to get more work?  Let me know in the comments!


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    Guest Sean

    Posted

    I love your content, and this is a pretty great idea for an experiment.

    Anywho, here's a thought:

    Since everyone there is fiercely loyal and refuses to 'one-up' each other, perhaps they could pool their know-how and skills into one "Master mind."

    The concept is simple; when a jefe shows up looking for someone skilled with ______, the other guys use their phones to contact the right guy for the right job.

    A network of day laborers.

    That way, carpenters get more woodwork jobs, while concrete guys get more concrete jobs.

    AND, it will help them all to distinguish the good jefes from the scumbags.

    Best of all, it doesn't require any extra expense, since they already have the phones.

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    Guest Mike

    Posted

    Thanks Donald but this is a post about copywriting on a copywriting blog. Save your right wing bullshit for somewhere else. Head over to http://www.breitbart.com/, you'll fit right in. P.S. If you didn't know, you're a racist.
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    Intriguing post, Neville!

    Do you think it might be helpful to share pricing on the business cards?

    I immediately thought of your post about pricing and services.

    For $20, I will paint a room.

    For $100, I will install a cabinet set.

    For $500, I will completely remodel your kitchen.

    I feel that the price per hour often times gives the laborer the short end of the stick.

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    Guest Mark

    Posted

    There is probably a market for Spanish copywriters in the local community. Teach them how to write copy so they don't have to do backbreaking work.
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    Guest Donald Trump

    Posted

    Here is the original Trump

    and

    I say

    FUCK YOU

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    Guest David weaver

    Posted

    Would love to see how copywriting on boards of homeless guys affects the donations in the street. Definitely something I want to try and help some people with soon in UK
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    Guest SunnyPee

    Posted

    By the looks of it, your KopywritingKourseKlub has arrived.
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    Guest James

    Posted

    Dude, if you're going to troll a copy writing blog with racist bullshit at least make sure your spelling and grammar are correct.

    Part of me thinks that post must be a hoax, it's just too easy to ridicule.

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    Guest Demetrio

    Posted

    Mad respect Nev. You're a genuine standout guy. Don't listen to the haters; as always here's another article I'll have to come back to and read start to finish. Always quality stuff.
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    Guest VESB

    Posted

    First, I personally want to take a moment to thank you, Neville, for taking time out of you've valuable schedule/work to help out people who need the most guidance and direction in this country yet sadly have nowhere to turn for help on how to help themselves and be citizens of merit and hard work. I'm sure the guys who had the courage to accept you're help are in extreme gratitude and will only to continue to spread your positive impact in that community.

    Second, I follow you're blog and read you're e-mails and I've never actually taken aktion on any of you're advice, but after reading this post from start-to-finish I feel motivated to start on heavier tasks in my life that I've been procrastinating on. It's refreshing and motivating seeing someone like yourself help out guys who are trying to better themselves in a country that does not appreciate their hard labor, and do it with such elegance and cheer while showing the rest of us how far a little bit of work and effort can go into helping ourselves.

    The truth is, to prove you're point on how the rest of us can achieve our career aspirations/goals, you went out of you're way and actually did something as opposed to just write about it. You also documented the entire experience really well throughout the article on how easy it is to build a portfolio and market oneself. You walked the walked, in this case literally, by helping others and thus brilliantly yet simply teaching those that are open to and willing to learn and grow.

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    Guest Kelly

    Posted

    Hey Nev,

    I think this is really great!

    You defiantly sparked some hateful comments, but I guess that will happen with controversial topics such as immigration. 🙂

    I am not sure what the specific requirements are, or if it still being offered, but some of the workers could apply for DACA. We have a team member who was DACA, which gives her authorization to work, and she has a SSN and everything. Then the good bosses, could hire them more on a more regular basis and not have to worry about the legalities with employing undocumented workers.

    Another option that you touched on is how it feels approaching these guys. You didn't really offer a good solution, and I don't really know if there is one. As a woman, I have needed lot's of projects done in my home over the years, but approaching these groups of men is very scary, and intimidating. Once I need a bunch of furniture and boxes moved, and I had my uncle help me talk with them, and get someone onboard.

    If they all have smart phones, maybe they could check out Thumbtack? It does not feel as scary at all, and is easy to use. They can charge the rates they want too. I used it a couple of times. Once to hire someone to clear some debris and yard over growth, and a second time for someone to come clean the inside of my rental property after some remodeling was done. Both experiences were really easy, and went great. It felt a little uncomfortable the first time, but not nearly as bad as approaching guys on the side of the road.

    Recently I used Thumbtack again, searching for someone to help out with my Weber Grill. No one responded, and I was ready to spend money on it, because the grill itself was around $800. Spending a couple hundred on maintenance after 5 years made sense. I googled, bought the parts on Amazon, did the cleaning and installed a new starter, and a couple of inside parts too. It cost me $40. One of these guys could have easily made $160 in profit, from less than 5 hours of work. That is $32 bucks per hour!

    I also think that it would be helpful for them to generate a list of the bad bosses, be that it include a list of license plates, or even pictures that could be shared between all the communities and different location if they knew people in other areas. To help keep people from abusing these guys. If they were approached by someone on the list, they could deny the job in advance.

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    Guest Nick

    Posted

    One of the reasons why I immediately stop what I'm doing when I see "Neville Medora" in the inbox is the attention to detail. I know the content will be fire, motivational and thorough. This post is no different. Kudos my brown brother.

    Here's my 2 centz:

    Create a Day Laborer Syndicate consisting of 5-6 laborers with DIFFERENT skillsets.

    Keep the individual's name and skills on the business cards (so they can market themselves) BUT work under one business name (Woodway Contractors, Gulf Coast Remodeling, etc). Doing this will help them stand out and hopefully get consideration in the future if they good work. If the electrician of Woodway Contractors runs into someone who clogged their kitchen sink with rice (which I may/not have done in the past) he calls up the plumber of the crew. Rep the same name, but continue to work on projects you can handle and refer to the crew if it's above your payscale.

    They can even market their crew with apartment complexes, community centers, new businesses needing handymen and lots of other places.

    Nother idea.

    To warn other day labors of fraudulent jefes make up a password or handshake to give to both good and bad jefes. Once a day labor works for a jefe and jefe honors the contract, the day labor can share the secret password or handshake with the "good" jefe. If jefe screwed them, they can also share a password although this would be one that would indicate that he was a jerkster.

    Day Laborers could then start asking jefes for the password to give them a better idea of who they might be working for and if they'll be getting a ride home.

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    Guest Abraham Lincoln

    Posted

    What? You mean like every other post he makes?

    C'mon. That's weak.

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    Guest Lawrence

    Posted

    America was built on the backs of LEGAL immigrants. Everyone who came through Ellis Island was legal. Immigration is welcomed... as long as it's legal.

    I'm certain Neville and his family are citizens who entered the US legally.

    If you enter our country illegally... then you have to expect to be deported.

    It's the law. There's no problem with that law.

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    Guest Huba Must Die

    Posted

    Hey Huba you thief you had better throw your self in the trash because Trump is going to beat you and deport your ass for having a bunch of crazy children that suck off the welfare system.
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    Guest Prashanthi

    Posted

    1.) They can give offers to current, good Jefes if these Jefes recommend daily workers to others.

    2.) Daily workers can introduce 'combo' works, combination of works at relatively profitable costs for both Jefes and daily workers.

    3.) They can form networks with other daily workers so that any Jefe at any given day can approach any daily worker. The daily worker in turn would recommend expert daily worker. This creates an opportunity to form good rapport with Jefe as well as other fellow workers. Eventually daily workers will also get offers through their peers.

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    Guest Keith Moletsane

    Posted

    They should take pictures of previous work and written customer testimonials ... works like magic

    all they will need is a photo album .. business cards can have a lead generation message like....

    "14 and counting ... happy clients with previous work done photos" Call to see the testimonials and photos

    The main reason they don't get hired is trust ... they can address that objection by presenting previous work with testimonials .. ideally the testimonials must have contact information so the prospect can contact the person who gave the testimonial

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    Guest Nick

    Posted

    I'm a very conservative person... and I find it shameful that people think this post is political. Even if it were, personal responsibility for helping others is much better than FORCING them to rely on government aid. Embarrassing.

    Here's an idea...

    What about a "report card" they could carry with them...

    Almost like a passport (no jokes)... the person who hires them one day basically "grades" them on their work and records it in the "passport". Almost like a collection of references (filled out by an English-speaking "boss") they can take with them everywhere.

    Potential employers could just page through, see their work history, proficiency, attitude, etc.

    Just a thought.

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    Guest Neville

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    Hey Nick, that's a great idea!

    The only thing I DON'T like about it, is it would be difficult to explain this process to everyone. It also seems from talking to these guys a lot of the Jefe's aren't really worried about the quality of work.

    However opening up this "market" to ratings and reviews would be super helpful for everyone involved!

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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Yeah this was going to be the second thing we try with these guys....give them sheets of paper with their previous work on it.

    All of them had some form of photos on their phones of the work they've done, so this wouldn't be all that hard!

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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Hey Prashanthi, good thinking. Somehow the referral system within that "marketplace" is not very strong. hopefully the addition of business cards can change that!
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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Hey Nick, thanks for the kind words about the emails, I try to make them good for ya'll!

    For some reason all of these guys don't want to form businesses or syndicates. I just don't think they realize the value of it.

    Also a lot of these guys are super low on the income and education scale, so these concepts are a bit beyond their thinking of just 24 hours ahead.

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    Guest Neville

    Posted

    Hey Kelly, great comment, possibly shirt-worthy!

    I actually asked these guys about stuff like Craigslist and Thumbtack, and they kept saying that without being legal they technically can't use it.

    Services like Thumbtack also require a form of digital payment, and a lot of them don't have a proper credit card or bank account and such, making it pretty much impossible to use.

    The other thing is that they simply don't have strong reading/writing skills AND don't speak English. This severely limits the amount of opportunities available.

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    Guest Rafael

    Posted

    Awesome Post!

    I love this solving-real-life-problem kind of posts.

    Can't wait to see the results of this experiment!

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